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In a democratic society, is it permissible for army reservists to refuse to
serve in a location or carry out a function designated by the army?
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The foremost duty of a citizen in a democracy is to ensure that it
remain democratic. Majority rule is a central principle of democracy, but it is
not the only one. There are some things that a democracy is prohibited from
doing. (Everyone is in agreement about that; the question is, which things?) So
it is one's civic duty to refuse to perform undemocratic activities, even in
the name of one's country. In our opinion, the lengthy occupation (35 years,
including the transfer of Jewish citizens into occupied territories)--and, in
particular, the means we are forced to use in order to maintain the
occupation--are so anti-democratic that they override the principle of majority
rule. Thus, the very refusal to carry out such orders is a true democratic act.
Our refusal is not undermining the nature of the State of Israel as a
democratic nation. On the contrary--it is strengthening it. Moreover,
democratic governments everywhere, including in Israel, are known for never
doing "the right thing" until they are pressured to do so by public opinion. It
is the duty of a democratic citizenry to apply such pressure. When members of a
minority feel that the democratic regime is too oppressive, or is forcing them
to obey laws which are contrary to their conscience, they sometimes reach the
point where they are ready to pay the price for refusing to compromise their
principles. Sometimes it turns out that this minority is, in fact, not a
minority at all. Only when it rises up and succeeds in mustering support for
its stand is it then strong enough to influence majority opinion. The strike
waged by the handicapped is a case in point. Another example: The Kfar Sava
Municipality decided to drastically raise property taxes. Property owners in
Kfar Sava decided not to pay the extra amount, even though they were charged
fines and other surcharges. In the end, the decision was overturned, property
taxes were restored to their former level, and all the surcharges were
annulled. We have always been the "good guys" who carry out their obligations
without asking too many questions. But the rules of the game have to change,
and the time for change is now.
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If the government were to decide to evacuate settlements in the West Bank and
Gaza, and soldiers who support such settlement refused to evacuate them, would
you be as understanding?
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Absolutely! Difficult as it may be, we will not force unwilling soldiers to
evacuate settlements.
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What do you expect the army to do? To ask every soldier if he feels like
serving in the occupied territories?
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The army is considerate of the feelings of other sectors of the population.
Ultra-orthodox Jews are not required to serve in the army. Special arrangements
are made for outstanding athletes and musicians; only children; soldiers
without family in Israel; soldiers from the lower socioeconomic strata of
society, and many others. Gen. Uzi Dayan once said that the I.D.F. "must allow
discussion of the moral aspects of service in the territories." To date, there
is no avenue for a soldier plagued by moral questions to find solutions to his
problems. Quite the contrary. Conscientious objectors are subjected to
humiliation and vindictive behavior, forced to choose between prison or
consultation with a mental health officer. And the army, by refusing to deal
with the issue, loses out on one more soldier who could have made an important
contribution in another post. The army must come to realize that moral values
have the same restrictive effect on a soldier's actions as do medical or
psychological disabilities. Why should we risk our lives, at the same time
compromising our values? Our military and political leaders are obliged to
explain to us what we are fighting for. What are our objectives? Who is the
enemy? Is there really no other option? By evading political decisions the
government is abandoning all of us to our fate. We need to have our faith
restored, the faith that was lost long ago.
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We are at war. Don't you think that it is criminal to refuse to serve in
wartime?
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When the country is fighting for its life, we all have to take part in the
struggle. Today we are not fighting for the survival of the state. We are
fighting to maintain our role as conqueror and occupier of the territories. Our
feeling is that the mutual acts of terror are not inevitable; the situation can
be changed. The decision is a political one, not a military one. Declaring a
state of "war" in order to induce an atmosphere in which people feel they are
obliged to serve, is the same as declaring an area to be a "restricted military
area" in order to evacuate the civilian population, or declaring a "state of
emergency" in order to crush a workers' strike. It is a cynical use of power by
governments (the journalist, Ofer Shelach, called our government a "military
junta") in order to squelch legitimate protest. During the twentieth century
millions of soldiers went off to what today are considered to have been
unnecessary wars. We have decided to say: No!
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What's your problem? All you're being asked to do is to protect Israeli
citizens who work or travel in the territories. How is that any different from
protecting citizens anywhere else? For example, why is that different from
patrolling an airport overseas?
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The best answer we can give is a quote from Gen. (res.) Effi Etam [today a
leader of Israel's militant right wing]. Etam wrote that civilians living in
combat zones should know that they are likely to be hurt. He, of course, was
referring to Palestinians living in Raffah, but his words are applicable to the
Jewish settlers as well. These settlers are far from being innocent lambs. They
refuse to allow the building of protective walls around their settlements, they
refuse to bullet-proof their cars, and they refuse to adapt their way of life
to the reality of living in a combat zone. They trick the army, setting up
outposts behind its back and forcing it to split up its defense forces; they
provoke conflict whenever things get quiet. They are not helping
themselves--why do I have to help them?
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Your claims are political in nature. Political protest is legitimate, but the
army stands outside of politics, doesn't it?
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I have two answers to this question. First of all, the army has been engaging
in politics for long time. It is more political today than it's ever been, and
there's no use in pretending to be neutral. Witness some of the comments made
by the Chief of Staff, the head of the Intelligence Branch, etc. Not to mention
the lies put out by the Army Spokesman that have raised serious doubts as to
his credibility. Second, its true that until now you have asked questions with
a political flavor to them. But my refusal to serve in the territories is
primarily grounded in moral reasons. We know what kind of activities the
soldiers--especially the reservists--are being required to carry out. It's not
about apprehending potential terrorists; it's not about demolishing artillery
positions that are shooting at Jewish settlements inside the Green Line. It's
not really necessary to recount the stories; you can read about them every day
in the newspapers, including the Israeli press. You can see pictures on the
foreign news stations, you can talk to soldiers who return home in shock from
the checkposts. They are turning us into animals; they are giving free rein to
the most sadistic elements among us. We are not prepared to be part of this. In
all the accounts of the most vicious conflicts known to the twentieth century,
people have always lauded those few who refused to take part in the atrocities
and who offered their aid to the victims, whether openly or in secret. How many
war movies have been made showing the "good soldier" who refuses to harm
defenseless civilians? I feel that this is now our moment of truth, and every
one of us has to decide if he is or is not a of the human race.
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That's all well and good, but you should be there at the checkpost, making sure
that these things don't happen. What good does it do if you stay inside the
Green Line?
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That's a nice suggestion, but it's not practical. You have to be there in
order to understand that one single soldier with a conscience cannot make an
impact. The others will simply ignore him and do whatever they feel like doing.
Not to mention the fact that the comman- ding officers usually back them up or
turn a blind eye. True, I can lodge a complaint after the fact. But I'm not
naive. I know what they do with my complaints. I'm also not trying to hide
behind anything or be relieved of duty for psychiatric reasons. No, I am
refusing to obey orders. I am refusing because I want my refusal to make waves,
to arouse others to action, to create such an outcry that the foundations will
shake--maybe then there will be an impact. Only numbers can make a difference,
and when there is organized protest, there are numbers. That's how we got out
of Lebanon, for example. Our hope is that the next time some cabinet ministers
discuss whether to demolish a neighborhood or drop bombs near a school, they
will remember that the people who carry out their instructions have other
values besides obeying orders, and that to continue this policy is to weaken
the public backing of the army.
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The Palestinians are trying to destroy us. They are slaughtering us in the
streets and have vowed to annihilate us. There is no possibility of peace with
such people. We have no choice but to fight.
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It's important to understand that our criticism of the way our army is
behaving in no way implies support for the actions of the other side. We can't
allow their crimes to legitimize our foolishness. I feel responsible only for
the actions of my country, and I can only protest against them, regardless of
whether the other side is guilty or innocent. Furthermore, one mustn't use the
same moral criteria to compare the terrorist acts of the Hamas with the
military acts of a sovereign state such as Israel. The I.D.F. is not a
terrorist organization. The I.D.F. is not an underground movement struggling
against its conquerors. The I.D.F. is not meant to carry out acts of vengeance
but to implement pragmatic political policy. We are asking Arafat to risk civil
war, without giving him any political rationale for doing so. Even Ben-Gurion
didn't disband the underground movements before he had a state in hand. The
Palestinians' burning hatred towards us stems, in large part, from the very
policies that we are protesting against. Extreme statements are being made
daily by extremists on both sides. They must not be allowed to dictate policy
while those who seek peace and choose life stand by and pay the terrible price.
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